Hi all,
Here's the blog questions for Chapter 6. Please be sure to fully answer the questions and respond directly to a at least one other post (after the first post).
QUESTIONS:
Rodriguez seems to bookend his chapters with themes. What is the theme of Chapter 6? What evidence do you have?
Choose a standout quote or scene that you feel best represents the chapter (provide a p. #). Describe why you chose that quote/scene.
Saturday, February 14, 2009
Always Running Chapter 6
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1. The theme of chapter 6 is about the gifts that Luis has and how he channels those gives into whatever he is doing. An example of that is on page 134 when Mr. Rothro said to him that he had always thought of Luis as an intelligent young man.He offered to do anything, such as writing letters and making phone calls, just so Luis can return at a level worthy of his gifts. Another example is on page 135 when his father came up with a plan to enroll him at taft High School near his job at Pierce Junior College because he felt thatr they had the best education. The opportunity for Luis to learn something new became an incentive for him to attend Taft High School.
2. The quote that stood out to me the most was " Luis, you've always struck me as an intelligent young man,"Mr. Rothro said.(p.134) I chose this quote because what he said showed Luis that at least somebody believes in him and thinks that he is too intelligent to keep doing what he is currently doing. It also shows him that someone is willing to help him pursue his dreams and that he is not alone in this world.
I think that the theme at the end of the book is identity/ individualality. I say this because throughout this chapter he had to accept the harsh reality by himself. Like, when he got caught at the resturant he was by himself and in trouble. He realized that he was in this alone. The whole ideal of identity is on page 145 "This guy is bad news. I know him. He's been arrested so many times his record could cover the floor."This quote occurs when Cowboy, the sheriff speaks upon Luis' reputation. Although Luis wasn't the ideal child he built an identity of his own. Also the fact that someone tried to help him and keep him doing things that were constructive. Another quote that explains this theme is on page 153, "Despite the crowd's yelling and the countless faces turned toward us, i never felt more alone with another human being than in a boxing ring.". Luis realized that this was all up to him and he had no one else to depend on but himself. Which proves that he was too, an individual throughout all his friends and gang members.
I think the quote above was the most important and intersting because was always a follower unrill he was forced to lead himself in the boxing ring.
From the gathered text in the reading, the theme of chapter 6 is love. This is evident in page 139, where Luis says, "I also learned not to be angry with my father. I learned something about my father's love, which he never expressed in words, but instead, at great risk, he gave me the world of books--a gift for a lifetime." Here, Luis is showing the love he had just discovered from his father and how he portrayed his love to Luis, which in Luis's opinion was with books. This is aready showing us that love can lead to an understanding of life and lead to something positive, hence educational, to consume one's time in, like books. Furthermore, On page 152, Luis says, "As I climbed the ring, I saw my mom at ringside, Joe and my sisters around her. I could tell she wasn't enjoying herself. But she came out for me and I felt I had to win this one for her." This happened when Luis was stepping inside the ring just before getting ready to box against another fighter in the Junior Olympics tournament. Here, Luis realizes the love that his family showed him by arriving to the tournament and supporting him.
Therefore, Luis feels that it is mandatory to win the fight for his family, pride shown as a result from that love.
The quote/scene that I felt best represents this chapter is found on page 159, in the second to last paragraph, when Luis and Chente were stepping in the car. "Just before stepping inside, he threw me another look; I could see he didn't want to give up on me yet. But he always told me: People give up on themselves first." This quote highlights the main theme of Chapter 6, which is love, because Chente won't give up on Luis, leading Luis not to give up on himself. Love here works like a cane, supporting one when he or she cannot stand alone by themselves; Chente being the cane.
I would have to say that the theme of chapter 6 is choices I say this because throughout the chapter Luis was forced to make many difficult decisions sometimes the choices were hard other times they were easy. I think that Luis wanted to show that even though it always seemed like he had the right to make his own choices he couldn’t because there were things that always stood in his way, like his race. Being Mexican alone caused him to have a lot of the problems that he had. Even when he tried to make good decisions and challenge himself, there were boundaries and barriers that he had to cross. Because he is Mexican he can’t take the classes that he wants to take, he can’t get a good job. It’s like even when he makes good choices there is always something that stands in his way or that holds him back. Evidence that supports this theme is when Luis tried to sign up and take courses like photography, advanced art, and literature but was forced to take industrial classes. Luis tried to stay positive, he started working and started taking part in study sessions, but there was always something that pulled him back into doing negative things. No matter how hard he tried and the good choices that he made, something bad always happened.
The quote that I feel best represents the chapter is “I don’t mind paying for my mistakes,” I added. “But it seems like we’re paying for everyone else’s mistakes too. Sometimes we pay even when there’s been no mistake. Just for being who we are, you know what I mean? Just for being Mexican. That’s all the wrong I have to do.” I feel that this quote best represents the chapter because it shows how Luis doesn’t always have control over what happens to him. It’s like some things happen to him for no reason and even if he tries to be positive and change his situation he can’t. I don’t feel that it’s right to say that society is the cause of all of Luis’s problems but I do think that society played a major role in what he was. I think that not only does this quote best represent the chapter; it represents one of the main ideas of the book. The idea of not possessing control is present throughout the story, and the quote I chose really supports this idea.
1. theme of this chapter is growth and development. Through out this chapter luis has matured and learned to deal with the evils of the society he has been forced to live in. Hehas been able to do this by picking up a hobby. Even though he lost his first fight he has learned to push forward because in the end will be stronger and better off then before.
2. The qoute that i've chosen is the same as ray's no i'm not cheating.Luis, you've always struck me as an intelligent young man,Mr. Rothro said.(p.134). Luis has something that known of his surrounding friends seem to have : HOPE. He wants to be better, but bcause of the situations he feels he has go trough, it holds him back.
In my opinion the theme of Chapter 6 is 'Change', Luis was describing his process of emotional and intellectual growth and development. The dream he had represented his lyfe path, the doors that have been closed with no possibilty of hope, no chances to change his path the longer he runs. He wants higher knowledge b/c his mind is capable of solutions and creating change.
Mr. Rothro his elementary principal was asked by his mother to encourage her enigma of a son.he said "...perhaps you can return at a level worthy of your gifts."(p.134)
This was not a compliment but a understatement of his potential in his society and the world. The perfect word and one of my favorite words 'enigma' fits Luis so perfectly. Due to his environment he has applied himself respectfully, but his true nature is being a writer, a man full of knowledge. His change si to stop allowing stigmas to defer his goals and true abilities in the world.
Based on the reading in chapter six, I believe the theme for this chapter is growth/change. I say the theme is growth, because it seems that in this chapter he’s starting to do more with his life, than just drugs, gangs, sex, and women. That’s not to say that it doesn’t take place at all, but he’s doing more productive things with his life. The evidence that allows me to have this thought, is when he went to “the collective” group meetings, only to get Chente off his back but he ended up coming back because their conversations stimulated his mind.
The quote that best describes the theme of growth/change would correlate with my explanation above where he went to the meetings. “I came once just to check it out, perhaps to get Chente off my back. But after the first time, I kept coming…Her knowledge, this elusive dove which had never before found a landing near my grasp, could be gently held-where it would not fly away.” (pg. 156).I chose this paragraph because he says himself, how interesting, and engaging the conversations and the surroundings were. It seems that he wants to change, and couldn’t because of his surroundings, but now he has an outlet and it seems he’s going to use it to change for the better.
I think the theme of chapter six was choices and responsibility. Throughout the chapter Luis has to make his own choices and be responsible for his own actions. Even though his father got him enrolled in school he had a choice whether to go or not. People came to talk to Luis about the choices he made in his life and how they felt he should make better decisions. In the end it is up to Luis whether he wants to listen to them and try to get his life back on the right track.
A quote that represented the chapter to me is, “‘Luis, you don’t have to study with us to make me happy or the collective proud of you,’Chente explained. ‘There are a lot of people involved in your life now. When you win, we win; but when you go down, you go down alone.’(pg 159).” I chose this quote because it showed how at the end of every situation Luis is always in control of the choice he makes. Chente tells him that he supports him but he can’t make him do anything so it is his choice whether he wants to win or lose.
The theme of chap 6 is responsibilty. Luis owns up to his mistakes and the choices he makes throughout the chapter. At the restaurant Luis is the one that gets caught for diner dashing. He doesnt rat out his friends, instead he takes the responsibility of owning up to the situation even thougth its consequences involved. At the end of chap Luis arrived at the session intoxicated. He knew that Chente would be disappointed, but he admitted to being drunk. Althougth he was drunk he took the responsibility of knowing the person he looked up to did not improve of his drinking. Luis did not make excuses for the choices he made. He just owned up to them.
The quote that stood out to me was on page 159. It stated "When you win we win, but when you go down, you go down alone." This quote stood out to me b/c its so true. When you accomplish something everyone is there to celebrate with you. If yo happen to fail no one wants to celebrate that b/c no one wants to admit to failure if they did not fail themselves.
Luis has encountered many problems but always seemed to out do them and maybe even learn from those past events. In chapter six, he overcomes many challenges which I believe is the theme: overcoming challenges. For example, Luis and his friends try to eat and run but Luis gets held back. He isn’t arrested but I believe he learns a lesson here. Now I am not saying that he doesn’t commit illegal acts again, but I do believe at that moment he learned from the owner who let him go.
A quote that would best describe the passage is on page 147 where it reads “We’re going to make deep changes and you’re one person who can help make them.”
It is very true about what Chente was saying that strong leaders need to become involved and help make a difference. People don’t want to just listen to a old rich person preach all day about how to better yourself. It is much easier and more understanding when you hear an inspirational voice from someone who is just like you. This quote shows how Luis can help make a difference and how he overcomes many challenges and can teach other people that. Change is definitely always a possibility but sometimes someone has to hear that one voice to give them a push.
"The fascinating prose turned ethereal- the profundity lost on an empty field somewhere in the barrio." This quote, in my opinion explains the theme of chapter six. I believe that the theme of chapter six is the inability to change within the barrio. There were many instances that displayed that no matter how much one may want to change, when stuck in their environment it a fruitless task. Throughout chapter chapter six,Luis enthralled himself with the community center. it seemed as if he was heading for a better life path.But, because he was stuck in his neighborhood, and aroun the same people, he could not fully change and was repeatedly pulled back into his old lifestyle.
"Only now there is no turning back for you." Chente's words explain it all. Luis was trapped and could not pull out of the drug life because that is what he is constantly around. He told Chente that he took a hit of dope because he was in the fields bulljiving. The wisdom of Chente's words was lost on the boy from the barrio. He could not benefit from the profoundity of the knowledge that he was being pushed to indulge in. Because Luis refused to seperate the life he has from the posibilities of his future, he is a lost cause. I'd like to 'piggy back' what cookie09 stated. The more Luis tried to do well something always went wrong and kept him trapped. He needed to learn how to completely seperate himself from his environment.
I believe the theme in chapter six is freedom. The entire chapter is filled with Luis making choices, showing love, and choosing who he really is going to be in life. I chose this theme because of the quote on page 135 where he says, “I don’t know why this affected me….I had watched too much T.V.” This quote shows the growth in Luis and in this growth he realizes that he has to make a choice for himself in order how to carry out his life.
I am choosing the quote listed above as the situation that stood out most to me. It was subtle at first but when I went back and thought about the entire situation in Luis’ perspective it gave me a sense that he knew from the beginning the gang life wasn’t the right life for him.
The theme of Chapter 6 is growth and talent. Luis has so much potential and it takes him this far to realize some of what he has. He has grown through his writing. For example, in the beginning of the chapter, on pages 132-133, the story that he tells is portrayed differently than the previous chapters. He talks of a dream, and his turning point seems to be when Gloria ruptured her appendix. On pages 136 and 137, he shows where he grows, wanting to do something more with his life and break away from the usual curriculum Latinos were usually placed in. He yearned for classes like art and literature. He had grown, and wanted to change.
The gifts of knowledge and a sense of leadership were burdened because of his choice of friends. Mr. Rothro states: "Luis, you've always struck me as an intelligent young man. But your mother tells me you're wasting away your days. I'd like to see you back in school. If there's anything I can do-write a letter, make a phone call-perhaps you can retun at a level worthy of your gifts." This seemed to act as a wake up call to Rodriguez, where he got back in school, and in a way, Mr. Rothro was like the first person who would go out of his way to make something happen to Luis that would lead to success. He believed in him, and from that, he nurtured, he grew and he wanted to become better.
Chapter six was good!!!!!!!!!!!
The main them in chapter six was being trapped in hell and whether someone was able to escape or not. The opening of the chapter was about a dream he had. His sister was in this gothic-like house without any door knobs. This scene represents his life in a way because he is someone who doesn’t want to become a product of his environment but is forced to be one. His dream shows this similarity. His sister is forced to stay inside of the house because she doesn’t have the necessary tool, door knob, to get out of hell. Therefore he is starting to see his life in other people eyes.
Chapter 6 was about self-development. Luis had to face issues that dealt with responsibility, leadership, and decision-making. He had to learn many lessons that showed him that his peers weren’t the best for him and he needed to grow on his own. Throughout the book it is very apparent that Luis wants to change but his environment is holding him back. Luis had been through so many struggles with his women, violence, sex, lies, etc that he felt there was no way out. He never knew how to overcome them without negativity being in his ear and taking him down the wrong path.
“I also learned not to be upset with my father. I learned something about my father’s love, which he never expressed in words, but instead, at great risk, he gave me the world of books – a gift for a lifetime.” (p139) Luis was continuously searching for love and didn’t know how to handle being without it. That is what drove to the crazy life of violence and gangs. It is noticeable that Luis is changing and it will be nice if Luis is a better person by the end of this book.
The theme of chapter six is to show that Luis has gifts that most people, like him are unaware of and that not everyone is a hypocrite and actually understands him In the beginning of the chapter his mom tries to get him back to school by calling the principal. When the principal comes to talk to him, he tells Luis that he has a natural gift for learning and among other things, and that he would like for him to come back to school, and if there was any way he could help then to please contact him. This shows us that Luis is constantly underestimating himself, while there are others who actually believe in him. This then leads up to the rest of the theme, which is actual people understanding Luis. When Luis got arrested at the restaurant for stealing the owner let him go at the end because he understood that Luis was always being treated unfairly, and Luis on the other hand couldn’t believe this, it was something that didn’t happen in his neighborhood.
I learned something about my father’s love, which he never expressed in words, but instead, at great risk, he gave me the world of books- a gift for a lifetime. (139)
I chose this quote because it goes to show how people don’t necessarily need materialistic things to know that have knowledge over something. This is a bit improvement for Luis because he then starts to read a lot more books, and starts to see the world of literature, and all other possible aspects.
I think the main theme of Chapter 6 was man vs. himself or transitioning. Throughout the book (up until Chapter 6) Luis has been constantly struggling with his peers and family members. In fact it seems like he can barely stay afloat. However, there was a major shift in Chapter 6 where Luis gets a chance to "redeem" himself to a certain extent. After teaming up with Chente's youth group and participating in boxing it seems like Luis is at a point where he can get out of his current struggles, atleast menatlly if not physically. I think that through finding a positive way to escape from the negative aspects that lay within L.A. Luis has reached a "transitioning point in life. A time where the only opponent he has lies within himself and hhe can choose to win or lose. In fact it even seems that Luis will lose during the chapters ending point. However, I have a feeling that there is symbolism in Chente's last words to Luis about his behavior, and even furthermore I think that his words will force Luis to strive to be his best.
I believe that the theme of chapter six would be the aspect of being trapped. I think the beginning of the chapter with the reference to his sister having no way out of the rooms with no doors. I tied that into his life and the way that he can’t or couldn’t get out of the situation that he was in throughout his life. He was trapped in the life of crime and doing wrong then when the dream didn’t end I think that that meant that he could no expect to live and move forward with his life and succeed because of the new experiences that he is yet to encounter. An example of this would be chapter six pages 132 and 133. Also there is a reference to him coming out of the dark and or opening the door at the end of the chapter when the coach speaks to him about the family he has on pg 159
One of the themes that stood out to me was change in chapter 6. This is because Luiz made a considerable and drastic change from thug and wild child, to someone who started to spend more time educating himself and exposing himself to his own culture and identifiyng with others. He began to develop a new type of mindset which was uncommon with the people he associated himself with. He also began to help out in the community and get involved in positive outlets which he didn't do otherwise. The scene in which Luiz chooses to read the book he got from the library instead of the assigned book,and the quote that stood out to me came from page 147. "We're going to make deep changes and you're one person who can help make them." These two things help to support my claim that change was a theme in chapter 6. I also agree with the quote trillwill prsented when talking about Luiz and the relationship with his father, had it not been for Luiz seeing how his father was treated at home he would have never ventured into the library and begin to discover himself as he did.
Chapter 6, to me, is the real transition chapter. In the beginning of the chapter Luis gets a second chance at an education and a means of making a better person of himself. He holds onto this transition for as long as possible before he loses this opportunity via his old ways. This is where he picks up a new interest that sparks him to discover a new side of him; this side proved to be intrigued by books of politics and the dynamics of social revolution. But he doesn't stop there. He soon lets his old ways catch up to him by performing the dine and dash at the restaurant.
Towards the end of the chapter he involves himself in many community service activities and even joins Chente's group who holds secret meeting to talk about economics and philosophy but Luis is too out of it to actually participate in the discussion. "When you win, we win; but when you go down, you go down alone(p 159)." This quote summarizes the whole chapter, to me. While Luis did his dirt and wasn't the best son, role model, or student he suffered on his own and nobody felt his pain but himself, but as he turned over a new leaf and began to do right then everyone benefited from it and was able to partake in the good he did for the community.
I believe the theme of chapter six was opportunity. In Luis's troubled life, he had many opportunities to straighten himself out. Those opportunities were shown in chapter six such as getting a job offer to help the community, going to a school that was actually good, or joining a boxing club to keep him busy. Before the opening paragraphs to chapter six, there was a quote that stood out to me on page 132, "There are choices you have to make not just once, but everytime they come up." While reading the chapter, I connected this quote many times to some of the scenes. Luis had many opportunites to make a better living for himself, but he had a choice. It was as if he always had the choice of choosing the brighter, more beneficial path, or the dark path that leads to nowhere. His life was based on choices. Although he sometimes made choices the led towards the wrong path, there were always opportunities for him to head towards the better direction for his life, but it was Luis's choice to either follow those opportunities, or just shut them down.
I agree with Kelsey about transition being a theme in this chapter but I also will go with progression. In Chapter 6, Luiz grows in so many ways its amazing. He starts going to school, reading, starts a new hobby of boxing, and he realizes the unconditional love his father shows him in a different way. He is even offered a job, something he thought would never happen. Luiz also notices that there is nothing productive in the street life he was living and then he comes to idea of learning. "Between the lines of type, I saw mouths wailing and eyes filled with terror. I saw what I was living. And although I tried to participate, that night I only saw my homeboys and homegirls dying"(page 157). This is when Luiz tries to participate in a conversation but faces actuality that the life he is living is wrong.
For the first question, I believe that the major theme is acknowledging ones gifts. The reason I say this is because, Louise doesn’t realize his gifts of reading, being able to speak to people, and his ability to fight for others to believe in him. For example, on pages 143-146, when he tries to run out after not paying the bail, his truthfulness towards the owner of store make it apparent that he is aware of how his words affect people.
A quote that stands out for me in this chapter is on page 153 when he is talking about his fighting match and says “But she came out for me and I felt I had to win this one for her.” This quote to me is more than him just trying to win his fighting match; however, trying to win his mother back or gain her approval. It was him fighting for them.
Also I would agree with the Kelsey_markee because she states that it’s a real transition and I think it is for him because he begins to see his own capabilities and who is really there for him. Who loved him and who was willing to fight for him.
The theme of chapter 6 is change. People like Chente, Mr. Rothro, Fuentes, etc were all encouraged him to take the right path;They involved him in activities that kept him away from the srteets. He also took passion in books and boxing. He began to love books and develop an intellectual curiosity. At that moment when Rothro asked him about his book in the beginning of the chapter and he complimented him by telling him "I believe you're probably doing better than most teenagers" (pg.134) Louis was encouraged to continue something he was passionate about. That was the beginning of this continuation of people encouraging him to do something he has a small passion for. These small passions that Louis is putting actually work and determination into are beginning to cause a change in his life.
I wanted to respond to Enigma. Enigma says "He wants higher knowledge b/c his mind is capable of solutions and creating change". It goes along with what I am saying in how people are influencing him and helping him pull out that passion for knowledge. Because Louis has a very intellectual mind he is automatically going to have hunger for knowledge. He just needed help which he got from those like Rothro, Chente, and Fuentes.
The theme of this chapter would most likely have to be truth. I say this because all through out the chapter Luis is faced with life changing decesions. "I understand I did wrong. Im not making excuses. You caught me up, up and up. I'll go to jail."(page 144)I choose this quoute because it shocked me. It's like no matter what Luis did he was always able to take responsibility for his actions. Also it seemed like he was becoming a man because he wasn't be such a follower. He was becoming the man he thought his father was. Books made him a better person. I was confused on why he thought his dad were two different men. Meaning he was a man at home and a coward at work.
To futher my blog I would like to agree with King YC. At first when i was looking to find out what the theme was I was going to say change but I didnt feel that word did justice to the chapter.
I believe the theme of chapter six is being trapped, to be more specific being trapped with choices. Lea states it as being “trapped in hell” and Dunnie states Luis as being “trapped in the life of crime and doing wrong”. This theme is obvious through out the previous chapters but in chapter six, in his trapped staged, Luis is given a second chance at life, education, and bettering himself. Boxing and attending the classes with Chente, Luis makes a choice to do something other than live the street life. After losing his fight, this idea of being trapped comes back because when Yuk Yuk and Daddio are killed he enters ,or better yet is pulled back into, this trap of drugs and being on the streets. As I said before, he is trapped with choices. He chooses to change his life style and once again he has that option.
Chente says to him, “When you win, we win: but when you go down, you go down alone” This is an example of Luis being trapped. When he is trapped he is trapped alone no matter if its in life, mind, or dreams. When he chooses to better himself by playing the trumpet, boxing, or attending classes his family, Chente, and others can take this as a win because they expect better of Luis and when he chooses to un-traps himself he wins no matter if it’s a small battle or big victory.
The theme of chapter 6 is change. In this chapter Luis is showing that he wants to make change and better himself. He shows this because he starts owning up and taking responsibility for his actions and acting like a man. An example is when he gets caught trying to leave with his friends without paying for his meal but he owns up to it and takes the blame. I also think that this chapter in proving that Luis is not trying to be a criminal and he just falls trap to the negativity that exist in the streets.
A standout quote that best represents this chapter is on page 134, when Ronthro tells Luis " In fact I believe that you're probably doing better than most teenagers even better, I'm afraid than some who are going to school." And this just proves that Luis has a lot of potential but is just hitting bumps along the way.
I believe that the theme for Chapter 6 continues to be Man v. Himself. Even though he has a chance to redeem himself and change, he still continues to struggle with his crazy, gang influenced life. People like Chente encouraged him to take the right path, but he still struggles. Although I can say that he does grow ang get a little better as the book goes along.
A quote that really stood out was on page 147 “We’re going to make deep changes and you’re one person who can help make them.” This is good for luis becuase he needs people that believe in him. He barely recieves this from his family(like at his boxing match) and having people that believe in him make him a better person and help him change and leave the negative life.
The theme of chapter 6 was most definitely "coming of self". Luis talked about some of the things that he liked to do alot in this chapter. The first example would be when he would go to work with his dad and he began to go to the library more. He discovered his love for literature and it kept him from being in the streets. He also talked about going to the Youth center in which he spent a lot of his time helping people out. The last example was when he had to fight in the boxing tournament and had major motivation from his mom and siblings being there.
The theme of chapter six is progress. This is evident because you can see Luis beginning to do new things. In this chapter he takes up boxing and begins hanging out at the center.
“ ‘ I’m sure it feels good to get messed up once in a while,’ Chente said. ‘To let it all go. But the fight for a better life won’t stop just because you aren’t ready…this struggle will go on”(p.159). I chose this quote as the standout quote that I feel best represents the theme of this chapter because this stands as the turning point for Luis.
I would have to agree with most of the comments and say the theme of this chapter was definately growth and progression. In this chapter Luis is changing and even takes up boxing and a hobby and his father wnating him to go to a new school where he would get a better education.
The quote i like was on page 147 "We’re going to make deep changes and you’re one person who can help make them"
It's basically saying that you're not going to change unless you want to change for your self. You have to be that wants to change or nothing will get accomplished. You might receive advice from others but you're going to end up doing what you want
The theme of this chapter is growth and development. Through out this chapter luis has matured and learned to deal with different struggles that he comes across in the book.
I had selected the same quote as m&m.
"When you win we win, but when you go down, you go down alone," (159). Basically the same explanation. Once you win, everyone else wants to celebrate with you; where as when you lose, no one wants to be there for you because no one wants to admit to failure.
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